Interview with LIBRA behind the scenes: Revealing the truth about the Argentina presidential currency harvest

Original title: " the LIBRA interview "

Original author: Coffeezilla

Compiled by: Azuma, Odaily Planet Daily

Editor's note: The farce surrounding the token LIBRA "supported" by Argentine President Javier Milei is still fermenting, and one related party after another has been exposed one after another , a conspiracy to "organizations make plans and precise harvesting" is gradually being stripped of by the community.

This afternoon, overseas KOL Coffeezilla released a video interview with Hayden Davis, CEO of Kelsier Ventures, the core participant behind LIBRA. This is also the first time Hayden Davis has responded in detail to the public after the incident. In this video interview, Hayden Davis talks about LIBRA’s release story, where the funding goes, and the complexity of internal operations from his own perspective.

The following is a review and compilation of Odaily Planet Daily combined with the original video content.

Part 1: The "sniper" that cannot escape

Host ( Coffeezilla):

I have been investigating this disaster at LIBRA for the past 48 hours. The Argentine president publicly "supported" the token, but with the collapse of the currency price, countless investors suffered losses, and hundreds of millions of dollars of funds "disappeared". People want to know where the money has flowed?

Now that I have contacted the key figures of this incident, I will conduct a 1-hour "interview" with Hayden Davis, CEO of Kelsier Ventures, the principal person in charge of the token release... I don't really want to do it... This is called an "interview". Hayden Davis previously posted a response video of about 1 minute on X, but the effect was not good, so this time I am more of a listener role, hoping to give Hayden Davis An opportunity to make a careful statement let him tell the whole story of the matter.

• Odaily Note: The interview started very suddenly, and Coffeezilla explained that it was because Hayden Davis had to cut it out at the beginning.

Hayden Davis:

When LIBRA launched Meteora, she tried to avoid "sniper" behavior, but failed... Several professional "snipers" bought a large number of tokens in the very early stages... One of the addresses once held a value of $57 million. but never sold, I don't know why this is. Even when LIBRA's market value is at the billions of dollars, if these "snipers" choose to sell, they will still directly smash the market. At this time, you have to make a real-> time decision, is to withdraw some liquidity to support the bottom (because there are more marketing plans next)? Or let the price fall?

This happens every token launch, and about 3 to 10 guys will grab a lot of chips. They are not good-willed holders, they just want to sell for profit. You can't track the address, or find out who they are. The same is true for LIBRA.

Part 2: The president responded in person?

Hayden Davis:

Mile and his team told me that there will be a very important interview tomorrow, which will be broadcast live on TV. He should clarify questions about me and the Libra project itself, because he is clearly under scrutiny, too.

In the original LIBRA launch plan, Mile would post another video and then some other highly-known people would interact with him. So when we thought about it, can we drive away the "sniper" by extracting liquidity, while retaining the funds to prevent the project from collapsing after the price drops, and then let Mile release the second video and re-open the funds. Come in and copy the TRUMP-like "explosion feast".

I don't know why Mile deleted the first update, I guess he was under great political pressure, which caused him to panic. Given his position, I can fully understand how he feels.

Part 3: I still have $100 million, but I don't know what to do

Hayden Davis:

We have been trying to think about what we can do next. People say that this is another rug, which is not an objective fact. There are still tens of millions of dollars of liquidity locked in, and the token market value is still $300 million. This is not a rug, it's just that the plan failed.

As a custodian, I still have $100 million in the account I control, but I really wish someone told me what to do with it. I don't want to be the target of public criticism, I didn't benefit from this, but my life is in danger.

Host (Coffeezilla):

I want to add a few more words. Regarding this $100 million, I think the public opinion is that the word rug has been widely adopted and its popular meaning is "unfair value extraction". In this case, "unfair value extraction" means taking the funds because people think you don't specify exactly what the money will be used for, so people will feel like you're just withdrawing profits, and that's what they think.

Obviously, we need to do something about this $100 million and try to return it back to people. I think it will be a very complex and difficult process because it is difficult to achieve the goal without being further exploited.

Part 4: About Meme's "Investment" or "Speculation"

Hayden Davis:

By the way, this is actually a multi-faceted problem because this is a meme coin. It's obviously stupid if you put all your money into a meme coin. Also, how do you evaluate the value of a token that has not yet died? Mile will likely support LIBRA, so it may also have some possibility of a rebound.

Host (Coffeezilla):

I want to interfere, will Mile make a profit in this matter?

Hayden Davis:

Won't.

Part 5: This was just a field experiment

Hayden Davis:

This plan was originally an experiment. Mile has a strong desire to put everything on the chain and make everything public, such as all financial transactions in the country. So I have had many discussions with many different people and foundations to discuss how to build this system in the next few years, so we use this experiment to see how it works.

Again, although Mile supports the token, this is not his official meme token, which needs to be clarified.

Part 6: About insider news

Host (Coffeezilla):

Some people accused some insiders of knowing the relevant information before the contract was released. For example, Dave Portnoy, founder of Bartool Sports, said in person that he knew about this two weeks before the token was launched, but did not buy it in advance. Instead, he bought it 10 minutes after Mile released the X update, and eventually lost money. About $5 million, but you compensated him for the loss.

This will further deepen ordinary users' suspicion about market manipulation, and they will definitely think: "Look! Even if they lose money, they will be compensated."

Hayden Davis:

First of all, I was arguing with him that day. I gave him compensation entirely because I didn't want him to lose money. I will continue to talk to him, and I believe there will be some different results.

As for insider information, I can’t guarantee that myself, Manuel or Mauricio have not told anyone else, but I can tell you that there are very few people in the know. The concept of insiders is always nonsense to me, because of every meme token I know, invest in or participate in, the people who benefit the most are those insiders, just like any in the world Like other businesses, the closest people usually make the most, or lose the most.

Part 7: Market or Casino

Host (Coffeezilla):

I think people’s frustration is that they’re not angry because you’re good at trading, but because you know information that the public doesn’t know and use that information to trade. In the open market, this is illegal and belongs to insider trading... (interrupted)

Hayden Davis:

...But this is not illegal in the meme market; this is what happens in every transaction. That's the rule here, people know this, agree with this, and make money from this. If you are going to blame this, you have to blame everything else.

To be honest, I don't actually object to this. But I think that the vast majority of people who bet on meme tokens, especially retail traders who take action in the early stages, are the rules of the game in this market.

This is not the capital market, this is the casino.

Part 8: Snipe yourself

Host (Coffeezilla):

Dave mentioned a situation where you said you refunded him with personal funds, but the refund address was traced to an Avalanche address, which is also one of the snipers of LIBRA. If you want to launch a token, isn’t it unfair to snipe your own token?

Hayden Davis:

I would say “no” (Coffeezilla was shocked when she heard it). From a sniper perspective, many times we snipers are trying to stop other snipers from entering... By the way, I am not a developer, and I don't even know how to snipe. If you let me sit in front of the computer and let me figure out how to snipe, I don't even know how to do it, I've never done bots, I don't know these skills.

Host (Coffeezilla):

But you sniped Libra, and your words are based on the project perspective, but Dave said that is your personal fund.

Hayden Davis:

This is just a mistake under pressure. I mean, if anything goes wrong, it's because... in that special case, all I did was using that money... When it came back to the market, it would flow back through another wallet ...The money from sniper is the money of the project, and this is how we do things.

• Odaily Note: Hayden Davis is obviously a bit incoherent, and Coffeezilla is speechless.

My point is that when you snipe as a team — I'm not saying it should always happen — a lot of the time it's about protecting the project. If there is enough trading volume, we will withdraw some liquidity so that people have a chance to push the price higher, because the price of meme tokens is rising and falling too quickly. These projects may be strangled within two days, and the only hope is that you have enough funds to fight the sniper. This is the rule that everyone knows above Solana, and everyone knows how these token startups work…

Part 10: Continue to blame the "sniper"

Host (Coffeezilla):

Do you think the public knows that when a project is launched, the project party will snipe its own project?

Even if we explain it from the best-intentioned perspective, assuming that all of this money is not for profit but for the project itself, it is still problematic for the public to not know that these secret activities are essentially. The project party is controlling the price of the project, which is a strange price manipulation method. This also makes the so-called concept of "team owning a bank" meaningless, because you seem to have a bank for sniping. The public has no transparency about these things.

Hayden Davis:

I think this is something that happens in all meme tokens unless they die completely and then are CTO. I'm just sharing based on transparency considerations, maybe I've overshared it, but I don't care. When you are the responsible party, you need to figure out how to keep these projects going, and that's what we've been trying.

To add, if you want to know Dave’s story, just talk about it briefly. It was the Mile team that wanted Dave to get involved in order to do some cross-> promotion, and even ended up doing an interview like Dave had with Trump and creating some possible opportunities.

The main reason for screwing up this matter is large-scale sniping. There is no solution because these guys left easily with 80 million, 100 million or even 200 million, while others were harvested and the project party was also being blamed.

Part 11: Role swap

Host (Coffeezilla):

Anyway, I still think sniping my own project is crazy, but I agree that sniping is a huge problem facing all meme tokens. I think insider information is also a huge problem, and these two problems can exist at the same time, because some of the sniping behavior is caused by insider leaks.

For example, in some cases, there are alpha groups that not only search for information on the chain, but also search for leaks of early contracts. They will spend money to obtain these early contract addresses in order to snipe the tokens... (interrupted)

Hayden Davis (return to the main version):

...So what is the solution? I also want to ask you, what can you do for the sake of protecting tokens?

Coffeezilla (Interviewed version):

Philosophically, I think meme tokens are a zero-sum game, an act of extracting value from most participants, which disproportionately benefit insiders through transaction structure and operation. Because if someone makes a dollar, someone will inevitably lose a dollar, so I think the entire concept of meme tokens has gone astray from the beginning. Of course, I mainly focus on the unfair elements such as fraud or insider trading.

If people want to participate in meme tokens, that is their freedom. But I think at least the market should be fair. I think the meme coins are stupid in themselves, but even if you want to participate in such stupid things, they should be done in a fair environment. It's like a casino, which besides unfair gambling elements, also have a lot of fraud, so they are strictly regulated. There is a reason casinos are regulated because people are cheated there. I think the same should eventually happen in the meme token market, although there are obviously some strong advocates for a complete relaxation of regulation.

Part 12: Have you ever participated in MELANIA?

Host (Coffeezilla):

I know the next one is a bit sensitive topic, but I have to ask because it has something to do with my story. Many people have linked you to the launch of MELANIA. Are you involved in the release of MELANIA? Has it been sniped too?

Hayden Davis:

Well…I told you before, I’m happy to tell the truth, but the question you’re asking can put me in a big danger. But I'm willing to answer.

I did get involved and I think the team did want to snipe it because TRUMP’s sniping was too big, but we weren’t the main snipers and we deliberately avoided that. We have not earned any benefits from the MELANIA team, nor have we proposed any liquidity.

Part 13: About other tokens

Host (Coffeezilla):

Are these two main projects you are involved in? I heard of several other things, such as HOOD, is that yours?

Hayden Davis:

no.

Part 14: Do you have to kneel when you make money? Who has the answer?

Hayden Davis:

Before I talk about other topics, I have to talk about something.

I used to think that meme tokens may be part of the development direction of social finance. But now it seems that I may be wrong. Now people want to kill me because I am involved in this project.

The only thing that can truly make money in this market is the trading platform. Whether the project is successful, run away or collapsed, they have made a lot of money. I'm totally opposed to this, it's really ** fucking. Whether it is Meteora or Jupiter, they don’t care about the life or death of the project, they just make money by trading fees. And what about those investors? I lost all my shorts, but these platforms still make money. This is really fucking.

I have told many bosses of many trading platforms in person. This is just fucking. They should have a sense of responsibility. If the project really runs away or someone is cheating investors, there should be a refund mechanism or a certain compensation. But no matter what, the question now is

• what should everyone do? When there is a problem with a system and you want to fix it, you can only try to change to a different startup method, such as starting from a higher market value, deciding who to cooperate with, not who to cooperate, and how to maintain the control of the contract , how to promote but not violate the rules...what would you do?

I just hope that if this conversation is recorded and published, people should at least stop and think about this. Because even the top people in this industry have no answer. No one knows what to do.

I have been thinking about what to do? How can you make money cleanly? Is this possible?

Host (Coffeezilla):

I think people in the entire crypto industry cannot give a good answer because the real answer is something that everyone doesn't want to listen to

• that is, what you are doing is basically how to make a big profit by selling "tulips" reasonably One turn. Of course you can package it in different ways, but in essence, anything that is purely value extraction for the entire world is probably not a good thing. And this is the reality that many people in the crypto industry are unwilling to face.

Part 15: Value debate

Hayden Davis:

Whether it is VC coins or meme tokens, all crypto projects are essentially deducting value.

Host (Coffeezilla):

Wait, I think there is still a difference here- there is something that does bring some value, and while the word "practicality" is abused, it at least means a tool, a thing that can really do something. And what about some things? They have no intrinsic value at all.

Hayden Davis:

But this is still a value extraction, regardless of whether it is practical or not.

Host (Coffeezilla):

Not necessarily...not necessarily so, for example, let's take Coca-Cola as an example. You can say that Coca-Cola is making money for shareholders, right? But they offer at least one product – of course, you can argue about its health, but at least it is a product that people are willing to pay for, and it provides some kind of service. In addition, it will also distribute dividends to shareholders. So, even if a shareholder spends one dollar when buying a stock and still sells it, he still earns dividends. This means that Coca-Cola's business model is not a Zero-Sum Game. Apple is not playing zero-sum games, and these companies in the capital market are not zero-sum games. They are creating value, and that is the basis of their value.

The original philosophy of the crypto industry was: While it was indeed a bit speculative at the beginning, we should care about it because there is real fintech behind it, which provides a new model of value. This is the initial core selling point of the entire crypto industry... (interrupted)

Hayden Davis:

All crypto assets are actually similar. Take Bitcoin as an example. The reason why it is valuable is entirely because a lot of people say it is valuable, plus the so-called "decentralization" - that is, there are no known centralized controllers. But in essence, it is still a game of value extraction, or a zero-sum game. So, whether it is a meme token or a large-> scale project that claims to have practical value, they are essentially the same. To put it bluntly, they are all shit.

The only purpose of our stay here is to hope that one day it will no longer be shit, but to do this, it will take tremendous progress. But it's still far from that point.

Host (Coffeezilla):

The problem is, this kind of progress won't be born from meme coins...well, you continue.

Hayden Davis:

I just wanted to finish my words. I wasn't saying that I must be right, I just said that this is my idea.

I don't think I must be right at all, but my idea is that if some meme tokens - to be honest, people only care about meme coins in the past few months, whether it was three or four months ago or TRUMP issued Since the currency, this has been the focus of everyone's attention - if these meme coins can really create some practicality in the end, or those big guys, such as Dave, start cross-platform cooperation, promote each other, repurchase and destroy, and increase practicality. Sex…then these things may really develop into some social finance model.

But before this, we will definitely experience a lot of stupid things, which is also my current situation - an absolutely huge and difficult problem, that is, the $100 million problem... We can now return to that topic .

Part 16: How to deal with $100 million?

Host (Coffeezilla):

OK, we can go back to that topic. You have $100 million in funds, and now you are thinking about what to do.

We discussed it before during chatting, I don't know if my suggestions are the best, but my idea is: First you need a snapshot, calculate profit and loss (PnL), then determine who lost money and allocate according to the proportion of the loss compensate. You can set a compensation limit that limits a person to claim up to $50,000 in compensation. Assuming that someone loses more than this amount, he is likely to be a more professional trader, while ordinary retail investors may lose less. In this way, when making compensation, you can give priority to those not professional investors (such as an ordinary Argentine who has seen the presidential dynamic).

You can use this method to get many people back as much as possible, but the problem is that this solution takes a lot of time and may also require a dedicated data analysis team. I have told you before that this will be very time-consuming and labor-intensive, but judging from the current situation, this may be the most reasonable solution.

Hayden Davis:

There are about four solutions for the suggestions I have received so far, I can tell you.

First of all, I talk to you about these things not to seek sympathy, but because I really don’t know what to do. I need someone who is trustworthy to help. I don't want to be wronged because I never thought of making things happen like this.

And, you have to know, this matter involves the Argentine government! It's Mile! This is not an ordinary project...I am not a member of this team! I'm not! I'm not! I'm not! ——I can say this 100 more times.

I don't want to get into this situation at all. I just sent a video to someone help, but so far, except for Yat Su, no one in the encryption circle has come forward to help. This is outrageous. These people are shit!

There are four solutions now, please listen to it:

• No refund, donate the money directly to Argentina charities and tell everyone to get out. But in my opinion, this plan is very bad.

• Refunds, but the refund needs to be based on various calculation standards, and no matter how you do it, there will still be people who are not satisfied or someone will come to trouble me. Many people advise me not to do this, because meme coins are purely speculative things, and no one should have invested all their savings. But even so, I personally think that to some extent, the money should be refunded, even if it is only a partial refund calculated at a certain price. But this plan is still difficult to implement.

• Bring all the money back to the market and buy it back directly. We still have about $100 million in our hands, and there are about $11 million in tokens and $13 million in handling fees, so it is about $110 million in cash. If we put all this money into the market, our market value will probably return to US$2.5 billion to US$3 billion, which is the historical highest point of LIBRA.

In this way, at least there is still some hope for this project, and I can get out of here as well. Anything you want to say is fine, the money has returned to the market, and it doesn’t matter if everyone comes to criticize me again. But I have to be clear--I won't touch this token again! I just want to get out of this mess as soon as possible, it has turned into a huge nightmare.

...The fourth plan was interrupted by the host.

Host (Coffeezilla):

I'll analyze it for you. I think it's definitely a completely wrong decision, and the consequences will be worse than you think.

First of all, this is not a fair solution. By contrast, prorata share is at least trying to be fair, but reinjecting funds can essentially only make those snipers and robots profit again. From the beginning, this project has been taken advantage of by arbitrageurs who have taken the lead. Those who place orders the fastest and various robots have seized the opportunity to start. Now, is your plan to do it again? Reinject funds into the market and give these arbitrageurs a chance to make big money?

Hayden Davis:

Why do you think this is a disaster? If I announced this plan in advance and everyone has the opportunity to buy it, then this is not insider trading! This is actually a completely free market behavior! Everyone knows that there is money in the market that needs to flow back, so everyone can trade fairly, right?

Host (Coffeezilla):

But the problem is that those smarter people in the market will always take the lead! The moment you decide to buy again, those more experienced and professional speculators will use this to arbitrage. Their funds, algorithms, and transaction speed are simply unmatched by ordinary people! Therefore, this plan will ultimately only allow those with the most resources to make more money and make retail investors lose money again.

Hayden Davis:

But isn't this the same problem? Whether it is the initial launch or the current capital injection, there is no difference in essence! The results are the same - no matter whether I choose to refund or inject capital, there will be TMD who is not satisfied!

Think about it, giving a refund is outrageous in itself - who would give a refund to an investor of a meme token? It sounds ridiculous! But if I choose to inject funds into the market, there will still be a bunch of people scolding me. No matter how you do it, someone will be upset!

Part 17: Personal Safety and Negotiation Chips

Host (Coffeezilla):

But if you refund, why are people still dissatisfied? Of course, they may not be able to get all the money back, but at least they can get something back is better than losing all their money, right?

Hayden Davis:

Because some people are not here to reason!

They sent me a message directly and said, "Give me $1.5 million, or I'll kill your whole family."

So, no matter whether I refund or not, I have to face these people!

Host (Coffeezilla):

Are you keeping money to protect yourself now?

Hayden Davis:

Of course not! But the problem is – now I have to protect not only myself, but my entire family!

Host (Coffeezilla):

The first step you should do is to transfer the money from yourself! You have to find a reputable institution, set up a legal foundation, and hand over the money so that you will not directly control the money. To be honest, one of the main reasons you are afraid is that you can use this $100 million directly now.

Hayden Davis:

That's right, it's completely correct! But if I want to be completely honest, this money is also my bargaining chip for certain people and certain forces. It is precisely because I control this money that I am the target of attack, but I also protect myself to some extent.

You have to understand that this is no longer an ordinary scam, nor is it an ordinary project failure. This is a completely out of control plan, involving the national level, even the president of Argentina.

Host (Coffeezilla):

I agree with you, this is indeed an extraordinary plan of failure.

Hayden Davis:

So, if I hand over the money now, even if I hand it over to a trusted third party custody, I will lose my chips! And under the current circumstances, I dare not do this at all.

do you remember? I told you privately what I think may happen next. Until Mile and his team give me a clear answer, until I have a truly feasible plan, I won’t act rashly!

This is why I set up a 48-hour window for myself - I want to see if someone will come up with a better plan than "let this delay for six months".

If the final conclusion is that the best solution is to hand over the money, no problem, I can do it without reservation! I don't want to touch this money again, I don't want to!

But under the current circumstances, my reputation has been ruined, and it doesn't matter; but I have become the target of some government forces, and this is a big deal, and it may even be more than one government.

And my only bargaining chip now is this money.

Therefore, this decision is far from being as simple as "handing over it". Things are not what you think!

Part 18: Have you taken Milai’s pot?

Host (Coffeezilla):

I understand what you mean. You're right, this is not a simple story. This is also why I object to you to spend money directly into the market, because that will not solve your problem at all. You do this, there is no essential difference between giving away money directly!

I think you have to move forward in a planned manner, not in a moment of impulse. You just said, "If we refund, everyone will still come to me." In fact, this is not exactly the same thing. If you end up finding a trusted third-party custodian and transferring the money out, it will at least reduce your risk of being kidnapped and extorted. Because in that case, the money is not in your hands at all, and even if someone wants to threaten you, you can't give them money.

But I understand your thoughts too - the $100 million you have in your hands is to some extent the only bargaining chip you are fighting for answers for yourself. Because Mile has been trying to separate you from you. He initially admitted that it was your group, but later he wanted to remove himself, but the fact is that he was obviously involved in the project!

Hayden Davis:

Yes, and there is evidence to prove that I have met him at least a few times!

Host (Coffeezilla):

Yes, no one will deny this. Of course I wouldn't say that Mile was completely unaware of the project - he knew about it and publicly supported it. It's just that he may regret it now, but that doesn't change the fact that he has indeed supported.

But this is an independent question, and the real key question is: How should this money be handled? I just want to remind you that fairness must be considered seriously. This project was unfair from the beginning, and no one could deny it. So when cleaning up the mess, you can no longer choose an equally unfair plan.

Indeed, the easiest way is to just throw the money back into the market, then leave the blame and let the gamblers do it themselves. But a fairer, harder to criticize, and more responsible approach should be to calculate the losses and find a way to return the money to the damaged person. Moreover, the whole process must be taken slowly, after all, the amount involved is too large and it is impossible to hurry.

But, after all, I know I'm not you, and I don't want to be you either. When you asked me for help before, my first reaction was - "This sounds like a nightmare!"

I don't want to take over your $100 million mess. But I do hope that those who lose money can get some money back. So, I can only provide my ideas and tell you what I think is the fairest solution. The final decision is still up to you, and you must bear the consequences - this is your responsibility.

Hayden Davis:

Yes, but I have to make it clear-the reason this mess fell on me was entirely because no one communicated with me! The situation is so crazy now! I am an ordinary person, but now I actually want to make a decision for the Argentine government, and they themselves are separated from this project!

If they want a refund, then refund it! Do you get me? This is simply an unsolvable situation.

Host (Coffeezilla):

Did they give you any instructions? Have you asked them?

Hayden Davis:

No, zero response, no one talked to me at all!

Host (Coffeezilla):

I think Miley should be panicking now...he might be impeached, uh, at least they will initiate impeachment proceedings, I don't know if he will actually be impeached in the end.

Hayden Davis:

He was obviously panicked. But he is likely not to be impeached, but he will definitely be forced into a very dangerous situation. To be honest, I am a die-hard supporter of Mile and I think he is innocent and absolutely not corrupt. There are too many people in Argentina who want to bring him down because they want the corruption system to return, and they play through this system. But no matter what, my current situation is simply unsolvable! I've become a living target.

This incident did not do me any good. My reputation has been ruined. The whole network is talking about me. I have no idea what to do.

Part 19: Who is the real team?

Hayden Davis:

The most ridiculous thing is that I am just a "middleman"! I'm not even a deployer, let alone a team!

Host (Coffeezilla):

Who are you talking about?

Hayden Davis:

Kip is the team, they are the people who are responsible for managing this project.

Host (Coffeezilla):

Oh yes. But you are responsible for the deployment of tokens, and the management of capital flow should be managed by Kip, right?

Hayden Davis:

Yes. My role is actually a "project start strategist" - I just make decisions based on the needs of the team.

I just do what they want to do. I am not the kind of "trader" who sits behind the scenes and calculates how much money I can make, and this is not my position at all. My goal has always been to make these projects interconnected, become bigger and stronger, and ultimately form real practicality. That's why I did these things at the beginning.

I'm just an executor and have no say in many things.

Part 20: Do you make a profit from it?

Host (Coffeezilla):

But we have to admit that in most cases, you have the opportunity to make millions of dollars, right? We can't... (interrupted)

Hayden Davis:

Yes, yes, of course I don’t do these things for free, and I won’t deny this.

Host (Coffeezilla):

I just want to confirm that you don't portray yourself as a victim. I think you are in a bad situation now, but financially…

Hayden Davis:

No, I am definitely a victim in this matter! Now I can’t make half a penny in this matter, I won’t have a penny! But of course, I don’t work for nothing, and I never deny it.

Host (Coffeezilla):

How do we determine this? To be honest, I may know better than 99% of people how to check the data on the chain, but the data on the chain is too complicated and the transaction volume is too large, so it is impossible to figure it out thoroughly.

What I mean is that when the money flows so much, you can directly contact these funds and have a bunch of other addresses in your hands, saying that they are operating for "protecting the project"... Then how do you make sure that the money will not be in the end? Your pocket?

Hayden Davis:

Well... I think this issue may be discussed in other projects, but for this time, the situation is completely different. Because now it’s not just a matter of money, but my family is targeted, and there is even a president involved, and the nature of the matter has completely changed.

To be honest, I have no interest in making money from this, which may even kill me or harm my family. This is different from ordinary financial scams. It involves not ordinary investors, but Argentina gangs, forces outside the United States... Some people are threatening me even in the United States.

I don't want to touch the money at all, and I don't want to make a profit from this. Believe it or not, but what I am talking about is the fact.

Part 21: There are also big melons in TRUMP?

Host (Coffeezilla):

In some ways, I think you are a very interesting person. Although you know my position, I don’t like meme tokens, and I don’t want to criticize you all the time. I am very disgusted with this "sniper" technique and do not agree with many of these operations.

你是个有意思的存在，因为你算是“幕后的那一侧”——你亲眼见证了这个行业里一些最大的项目是怎么运作的。 像LIBRA 和MELANIA， 普通人应该知道些什么？你说过人们应该思考这些事情……那他们到底应该怎么想？

就你的视角来说，这个行业的幕后到底发生了什么？ 这些项目的团队究竟能赚多少钱？什么才算真正的内幕信息？ 如果你真心觉得人们需要了解这些，你会怎么告诉他们？

Hayden Davis:

嗯……我觉得最好的例子，最能说明问题的，还是TRUMP 那个项目。 因为我知道，那个项目既筹到了最多的钱，也让人赚到了最多的钱。 就拿那个来说吧，说实话，我觉得这就是最好的例子。 你也知道对吧？有些人能在5 亿市值以下时买进去。

Host (Coffeezilla):

对的，你是说那些人也“狙击”了这个币，对吧？

Hayden Davis:

不不不，不是那种狙击。

我是说，在正式上线之前，在某场私密晚宴上，有些人得到了特别准入权限，可以提前买进。

Host (Coffeezilla):

What? !

Hayden Davis:

对对对，就这样。

Host (Coffeezilla):

等等，等等，你说啥？ !

Hayden Davis:

对啊，就是这么回事。

Host (Coffeezilla):

谁……谁给他们的权限？是谁允许的？

Hayden Davis:

我是这么听说的——在华盛顿特区某场加密货币活动上，有些人被给予了这个机会。

我不知道是不是真的，我只是听说了这些。

Part 22 ：还有人问我“什么时候搞下一个”……

Host (Coffeezilla):

所以你的意思是……你的观点是什么？

Hayden Davis:

我的观点是， 无论是TRUMP，还是任何这种规模的大项目， 这就是一个小圈子的游戏。 这就是个不受监管的赌场。

如果你是个散户交易者，还指望靠meme 代币赚个几百万，那你最好给我醒醒。

所以对散户来说，我的建议是—— 除非你有10 万美元，拿1 万元出来玩玩，否则别碰。

这不是个好主意。和去赌场没什么区别。

Host (Coffeezilla):

那你的玩法是什么？

Hayden Davis:

我的玩法是，我本来以为这些meme 代币能变成有实际用途的东西，能形成那种大规模的跨项目合作，创造真正的效用，搞出酷炫的生态和合作，能让人们在金融层面真正社交起来。

但现在，很明显，我根本不想搞这个了。

甚至我都不知道该怎么继续下去。 不过，我确实成了个相当厉害的“发行策略师”。 就算到了今天，尽管骂我的人一大堆，还是有二十多个人来问：“嘿，什么时候搞下一个？”

这太TM 疯狂了！

但这就是个游戏，一个无监管的游戏。

你知道David Sacks 说过什么吗？

Host (Coffeezilla):

你继续，David Sacks 说啥了？

Hayden Davis:

David Sacks 说，meme 代币就是“收藏品”。

你看，我们伟大的总统，在上任前两天还发行了个meme 代币。 那个团队—— 我不知道特朗普本人有没有从中受益—— 但团队肯定赚翻了。

Part 23 ：meme 是不是一个错误？

Host (Coffeezilla):

那你觉得，这是不是个错误？ 就像你说的， 大部分人根本不该碰这些东西，那你觉得，彻底放开这个市场，会不会是个错误？

Hayden Davis:

是啊，我的意思是……听着，我现在的看法跟三天前完全不一样了。

我以前是超级支持把一切都从监管市场里抽离出来的。 但现在，我开始意识到……这也只是也是个小圈子的游戏，与肮脏的资本市场无异，只不过具体玩法不同。 每一个能赚大钱的市场，本质上都是这样的。

无论如何，那些拥有最多资金、最多资源、最大控制权的人—— 也就是任何市场里的圈内人—— 他们永远赢，他们从不会输，这在所有市场里都是通用规则。

Host (Coffeezilla):

这点我不会反驳。

Hayden Davis:

回到meme 币上，我会怎么向别人介绍这个市场？m eme 币是个无监管市场，它波动剧烈，圈内人操纵，抢跑交易横行，各种疯狂的事情都会发生。

真正关心这些事的，反而是最顶层的那些人。 有些我认识的人—— 出于某些原因我不会点名—— 他们是真的在试图把这件事弄清楚，他们不是坏人。 他们中的大多数人都在努力想办法，看看怎么让这件事可持续发展。 但目前为止，没有人真正找到答案，一个都没有。

我相信像LIBRA 这样的超级灾难最终会推动行业结构化，但你知道吗？那些大人物从来没给我打过电话。 事情一旦变糟，他们全都消失了。

这就是为什么我现在觉得：“TMD ，这事我不想再管了。”

因为我正在失去一些，我有家庭，我的人生，还有我的名声，等等一大堆东西。 所以我想了想，干脆拼了吧。

有人曾经告诉我别接受你的采访，说你会坑我…… 但我想，“兄弟，他是个基督徒，看起来是个讲道理的人，那我们就聊聊，看看会发生什么吧。 ”

我的选择只有两个： 要么站出来面对后果；要么不说话，然后一辈子被人当骗子，但这根本不是事实。

Host (Coffeezilla):

I agree. 不管怎么说，你愿意站出来讲清楚，总比大家瞎猜你的故事强。

我也不会骗你，我既不想帮谁洗白，也不想刻意黑谁，我只是想把事情如实讲出来。 所以这次采访，我会完整播出，除了你跟我说的那些不能放的部分，其他的都会公开。

我不会剪辑，不会片面呈现，我就是把你说的东西全放出来，让大家自己去判断你的立场。

说实话，你已经比很多人在这个情况下要透明得多了。 很多人都害怕，所以他们消失了，连米莱都害怕他的名声受损。

我确实觉得，你能站出来讲清楚并回答这些问题是件好事。

当然，我不认为这个项目做得对， 但你今天愿意聊这些，我还是想谢谢你。

Part 24 ：最终总结

Hayden Davis:

我不知道这算不算是总结发言，但我有几件事想说清楚。

首先，我想再强调一点，不只是因为我真的相信这一点，而是因为这确实需要被讲出来—— 米莱加密货币一无所知，完全不懂。

我觉得他很聪明，他可能对区块链有一点理解，但我不认为他意识到自己到底做了什么。 所以我想说清楚这一点。 但我还是百分百支持他，因为我认为他是阿根廷这个全球最腐败国家之一里唯一的希望，而这个国家现在终于有了一个摆脱腐败的机会。

其次， 其实一开始我没打算说得这么详细， 但我觉得这事很重要。 在这件事里，你的内容直接影响到我的家人， 而且让我的处境变得极度危险。 但问题是，我不是这件事的主导者， 我也根本不想当主导者， 所以我不是在装可怜，我不需要被当作受害者， 但我希望人们至少能有那么一点点共情， 因为接下来，我可能长期都需要安保， 而且我的生活基本上已经被彻底搞砸了，

这一切，都是因为一件我根本不想插手的事。 我要再强调一遍，这个项目我一分钱都没拿， 我之所以参与，是因为我是米莱的顾问， 我想借这次机会推动其他对话、推进区块链技术、促成更多的行业合作， 我根本不在乎这次能不能赚钱。

其他项目？行，我承认，我确实在其他项目上赚过钱， 但这次不是。 最后，无论你打算怎么发这个采访，怎么剪辑， 我只希望至少能让大家看到一点—— 我不是骗子。

而且，我也不认为LIBRA 死了更重要的是，我相信米莱会支持它。 当然，这个答案明后天可能就会揭晓， 我的判断是，他会站在LIBRA 这边， 在他目前的处境下，支持LIBRA 远比不支持对他更有利。

Host (Coffeezilla):

我觉得你已经讲得差不多了， 感谢你愿意站出来，分享你的视角。

正如我说的，我可能并不同意你的观点， 但你确实揭示了一些之前没人提及的关键问题。 这些讨论是有价值的， 这次访谈最终可能会成为一个重要的参考。

所以，谢谢你。

Hayden Davis:

没事，别客气。

Host (Coffeezilla):

好的，保重！